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FredWest 08-10-2011 06:08 PM

Split Top Roubo
 
Ladies and Gentlemen,

As many of you know, I have ostensibly been working on building my bench. To say the least it has been a slow process but for two fairly decent reasons. The first and probably the least of the two is that my right knee is in terrible shape and as of right now it is going to be scoped on Aug. 22nd. The second and biggest reason is that I decided to build it using hand tools. It has been slow but it has also been a blast and my hands skills are substantially better. Of course my planes have been used everywhere but the tenons I cut out with saws and then shoulder and rabbet planes. The mortises I have in initially drilled out with a hand brace and some old Russell Jennings auger bits. After that I used my mortise and paring chisels. The long shallow dadoes I cut with my router plane.

What you will see below are the outlines of the base. I still have to build the shelf and install the Glide which is what I am working on right now and then finally the top and the wagon vise. I have pictures of almost all of the work in progress but I did not want to post it if I was just boring people so unless I hear otherwise I am just going to post the four pictures below until I get something else finished. I hope you all enjoy iy.

Fred


colinwhite 08-10-2011 06:14 PM

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Looking good Fred.... Come on post them.....woodworking photos on Talkfestool..... What next ? ... On topic discussions ! :D :Laughing2:

ShawnR 08-10-2011 10:38 PM

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Bah.. never a bore.. post more pictures :raisedhand:

I take it this is a Benchcrafted bench?

Corwin 08-10-2011 10:55 PM

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Come on with the "work-in-progress" photos already!

And, I cannot help be comment on how much your shop's floor reminds me of my late mother's dining table where she always had a jigsaw puzzle in progress. She always needed help finding where all the pieces belonged.


:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:


Okay, be honest now, and let's have a show of hands :raisedhand: from those that just returned from taking another glance at Fred's photos above...


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TahoeTwoBears 08-11-2011 12:08 AM

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C'mon Fred, more pics.

ShawnR 08-11-2011 12:11 AM

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Hey Fred,

Are you using maple or ash?

Okami 08-11-2011 01:05 AM

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C'mon Fred, let the photos roll!!!
That's looking really fine so far! The game changes when it's all done by hand eh! Excellent!

Wonderwino 08-11-2011 02:45 AM

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Nice progress, Fred! I can't wait to see the finished bench.

Is that a Hammer K3 storage shelf in the background? :Laughing2::Laughing2::Laughing2::Laughing2: :Laughing2::devildance::aol!: BIG Big Grin

Corwin 08-11-2011 03:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hasslefactor (Post 71476)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corwin (Post 71469)
... And, I cannot help be comment on how much your shop's floor reminds me of my late mother's dining table where she always had a jigsaw puzzle in progress. She always needed help finding where all the pieces belonged.

Okay, be honest now, and let's have a show of hands :raisedhand: from those that just returned from taking another glance at Fred's photos above...

:raisedhand:

Ah, come on now... Is Laurie the only one that will admit it?


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Poto 08-11-2011 03:47 AM

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It's looking wonderful, Fred! I bet that if we saw some closeups of the joints they'd be light-tight.

It certainly looks solid. I can hardly wait to see the vise and top.

kevros1 08-11-2011 06:58 AM

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Thats looking really great work.:thumbsup2:
Are you going to have to walk around the bench once the top is on?

:raisedhand: I had another and :raisedhand: another look.

Corwin 08-11-2011 08:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kevros1 (Post 71485)

:raisedhand: I had another and :raisedhand: another look.

:Laughing2: Alright then. That makes two. :thumbsup2::thumbsup2:

I don't know about the rest of these guys... :hippo:



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Poto 08-11-2011 03:41 PM

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I've been watching it grow full of holes and tenons via Skype. But I admit - I went back to look at the pictures again. :raisedhand:

You have to admit - Fred's photography is really improving!

MichaelKellough 08-11-2011 04:09 PM

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Yep, Fred's photography is improving.
Fred's skills are improving.
Fred's shop is improving.
:thumbsup2:
I hope Fred's knee is improving too.

Poto 08-11-2011 04:19 PM

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Unfortunately, it's not. The poor guy can hardly walk, and he's in constant agony (agon-knee?). I don't know how he pushes through.

I sure hope the arthroscopic surgery does the trick.

Corwin 08-11-2011 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Poto (Post 71491)
Unfortunately, it's not. The poor guy can hardly walk, and he's in constant agony (agon-knee?). I don't know how he pushes through.

I sure hope the arthroscopic surgery does the trick.

Me too. Yet, what puzzles me is all those floor mats strewn about. Sure hope Fred doesn't trip over one and make matters worse. Hang in there bro!



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waho6o9 08-11-2011 08:54 PM

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I sure hope the arthroscopic surgery does the trick.

That's a big 10 4 good buddy.

FredWest 08-11-2011 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Corwin (Post 71504)
Me too. Yet, what puzzles me is all those floor mats strewn about. Sure hope Fred doesn't trip over one and make matters worse. Hang in there bro!



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Corwin et al,

As far as the floor mats, I will admit that I have tripped over them a couple of times but being able to stand on them while I am working is worth everything.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: Once I finish putting everything in place, I will get more of these and fill in some of the spaces.BIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin

Yes, it is a Benchcrafted bench. I have the Glide Leg vise and the Wagon vise. The bench is going to be under the only windows in the basement and they are north facing so I will have good natural light for planing. It will actually be two to three feet out from the wall as I want to be able to walk around it. So far the bench is made of maple. It is supposed to be all soft maple but it apparently is not. The last three mortises each took over two hours. I am SOOOOO glad that I did not go with all hard maple as I initially wanted to. BIG Big GrinLuckily Jameel, Ron & Konrad all strongly suggested soft maple which as I have learned is not all that soft.:Laughing2::Laughing2: :Laughing2: Jameel's plans suggest Ash for the large chop on the leg vise and then white oak for the parallel guide. My own personal choice bit I did not like the grain of the ash set against the maple and adding the white oak just gave me different shades of white on white. So, I looked through my lumber and found some beautiful Tasmanian Pink Myrtle(TPM). According to Woodworkers Source Tasmanian Myrtle has a dry stiffness of 2015 at 1000 psi and has a hardness rating of 1325 lbs. Using the same source Ash came in with a dry stiffness of 1720 at 1000 psi and a hardness rating of 1320 lbs. So, I said to myself, self you have a lot of TPM including one rather large piece a little over 9 inches wide, 36 inches long and 1 3/4 inches thick. Hmm, so I cut it down to 26 1/2 inches, flattened one side and then took another 3/4 inch piece, flattened one side of that and glued them up. I now usually use Konrad's stainless steel jointer (aka Big Daddy) of 28 1/2 inches to initially flatten the two side and used my new purty smoother from Ron to clean it up. So, I have enough of the TPM to make the big chop, the parallel guide and the sliding Deadman. Now most of you have already figured out this next part but for those of you that are particularly slow, like Peter, Big eek the TPM has a hue that matches my walls minus the white area and my ceiling.:bananarock: :bananarock: :bananadance: :bananadance: The very same walls and ceiling I have been so thoroughly chastised by so many of you but now, I mean NOW there is a reason.:Laughing2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2:

I have many, many pictures of the build as I have moved through this build. Later today I will start posting some of them. Thank you all for so many kind and wonderful posts.

Fred

TrevorWalsh 08-12-2011 03:48 AM

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I can't wait to see more, I've been putting off a bench build until I get a space of my own/I rent the whole house from my landlord. Soon soon. It's going to be a Roubo of some sort. Today I scored two quick action vises like Schwarz uses as an end vise on the 18th c. French Bench and among other wood about 18 BF of old genuine mahogany. one is a 7 foot heavy 4/4, 10 1/2" wide! Perfectly clear. I'll post pics sometime.

joraft 08-12-2011 03:52 AM

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Great photos, Fred, and nice work!

Keep 'em coming! :thumbsup2:


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JimKirkpatrick 08-12-2011 01:13 PM

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Looking good, Fred! Can't wait to see more!!! :thumbsup2::popcorn::thumbsup2:

Poto 08-12-2011 03:46 PM

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Jim! Great to hear from you! How are things going? Have you used your bench much?

JimKirkpatrick 08-12-2011 10:46 PM

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Hi Peter, I'm more of a 3 season woodworker. Summers here are spent on the golf course. In fact I just got back from Bermuda. Very nice!
http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...-pga-grand.jpg

I've been working on a stand alone tool chest for all of my hand tools, I'll post pictures when I finish in the fall. For now I'll be enjoying seeing Fred's progress on his roubo! :popcorn:

FredWest 08-13-2011 01:25 AM

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Okay, here are some of the pictures right from the beginning.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:

Fred

http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...e-saws-016.jpg


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Two shots above of the 232 board feet of maple sitting there acclimating and anticipating.


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...e-saws-023.jpg


Checking out the plans from Jameel and wondering what in the hell did i get myself into. BIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...3-img-1230.jpg


First pictures of the legs, how I have marked them out and a cut in one of the tenons that had to be plugged. READ THE PLANS!!!:firemad:BIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...5-img-1232.jpg


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The final picture of the night will be below and it is the six boards ready to become the six side and long rails.


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Poto 08-13-2011 06:12 PM

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Cool pics, Fred. Thanks! Isn't it amazing how a pile of lumber can turn into an heirloom?

Or a pile of smaller lumber...

This is going to be one awesome bench. Looking forward to more pics and progress. :thumbsup2:

FredWest 08-13-2011 10:00 PM

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Peter,

Thank you and all of the rest. Jim, do not look at these as your bench is so beautiful.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: This series of pictures will show my effort at cutting the tenons and the mortises. They are obviously nowhere near as sharp and beautiful as machine cut tenons and mortises but I am having a great time doing these and they are getting better. BIG Big GrinBIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin

Fred

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The last shot above is obviously before any planing or chiseling. For some reason I did not take any pictures of me doing that but you can see some end results on the tenons on the tops of the legs.


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...o-8-1-2011.jpg


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...o-8-1-2011.jpg


All of the mortises were drilled out using one of several braces with old Russell Jennings auger bits. I bought them on ebay several years ago and they come in a small box with three level in it that hold the auger bits. I see them on ebay all of the time and they are worth whatever you pay for them.


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On the close up you can see that the rail leans a little to the side however when the other end is fit into the other leg it straightens out and is completely flush.


http://www.talkfestool.com/vb/member...o-8-1-2011.jpg


Just wanted to show a single picture of how the very shallow dado was cut on the four lower rails.

Poto 08-15-2011 04:59 AM

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It's really fun seeing how you cut the tenons, drilled out the mortises, and did your dado Fred. I imagine you improved quite a bit with all those tenon cuts. Did you find you could get closer to the line as you did more of them?

Keep up the great work, and keep those pictures coming!

Okami 08-15-2011 07:59 AM

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Very nicely done Fred:thumbsup2:
You should be proud of the fact that although You have every power tool and machine known to man, You have chosen to take this on with hand tools:) You'll remember every piece of grain and joint by the time You've finished, the quirky grain, the mortice that was tougher than the others etc etc...:clapping1:
its what woodworking is all about

TrevorWalsh 08-16-2011 03:12 AM

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Okami, I think you also forgot to mention that Fred has every hand tool known to man as well. How many makers can we list. Konrad Sauer, Marcou, who made those saws?

Poto 08-16-2011 03:58 AM

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I hadn't noticed that, Laurie. You're right - it's a really handy feature.

Does LN sell them? Does it still count as a hand tool?

FredWest 08-16-2011 06:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Poto (Post 71626)
It's really fun seeing how you cut the tenons, drilled out the mortises, and did your dado Fred. I imagine you improved quite a bit with all those tenon cuts. Did you find you could get closer to the line as you did more of them?

Keep up the great work, and keep those pictures coming!

Peter,

Thank you and yes my hand skills have improved exponentially and at this point I cut directly to the line which was very much NOT true when I first started.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:

Fred

FredWest 08-16-2011 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Okami (Post 71630)
Very nicely done Fred:thumbsup2:
You should be proud of the fact that although You have every power tool and machine known to man, You have chosen to take this on with hand tools:) You'll remember every piece of grain and joint by the time You've finished, the quirky grain, the mortice that was tougher than the others etc etc...:clapping1:
its what woodworking is all about

Okami,

Thank you very much and you could not be more correct about knowing every aspect of this build and it is wonderful.BIG Big GrinBIG Big GrinBIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin

Now as to your assertion on the level of my power tools and machines go, you could not be more wrong. I initially thought the same as you but then I was reminded that there are so many tools that I do not have such as a radial arm saw, a radial arm drill press, a good lathe, all sorts of stand alone sanders, any CNC machines and on and on and on. So apparently I have much work to do prior to truly establishing that title?:Laughing2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2:

Fred

FredWest 08-16-2011 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hasslefactor (Post 71672)
So... about this automatic levitating saw of yours, Fred.
Do you have to TELL it what to do? Or does it just know? :laughing1:

Seriously, the bench is looking GREAT. :thumbsup2:

And you're going to FEEL great after your knee surgery.

Of course, that handy saw will probably have finished the whole bench by itself by then...

Laurie,

You have no idea how long it took me to train just that one saw. However, we are now connected through a neural network which is very helpful with my carpal tunnel. :Laughing2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2:

Trevor much like Okami's assertions on the power tool end it is equally not true on the hand tool end. For heaven's sake, I don't even have all of the different sets of Tasai chisels that he has made and don't get me started on the Koyamachi chisels. :aol!: :aol!: :aol!: :aol!: As far as planes and saws go, I am vastly under represented. Take a look at the book by Russell Jennings, which I highly recommend to any hand tool aficionado. Antique Woodworking Tools It is 528 pages with over 1000 pictures and illustrations. It is also not cheap at $180 but wow. Now, to my point, the Russell Jennings book is strictly on HIS hand tools. My meager collection would merely rate a page or two.Big eekBig eekBig eekBig eek It is seriously a fantastic book and collection.

Thank you all for your wonderful comments.

Fred

TrevorWalsh 08-17-2011 10:24 PM

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David Russel appears to have what we might call a problem, we should help by housing some of his insanely large collection of tools. I mean damn that's a lot of swag.

FredWest 08-19-2011 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorWalsh (Post 71716)
David Russel appears to have what we might call a problem, we should help by housing some of his insanely large collection of tools. I mean damn that's a lot of swag.

Trevor,

I could not agree with you more. I do not know how you would even amass such a collection. However, I'll bet he had a great time working on it.BIG Big GrinBIG Big GrinBIG Big GrinBIG Big Grin

Fred

Groggy 08-20-2011 02:29 PM

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I think I may sate my lust for tools vicariously through your threads Fred. :takebow:

The bench is shaping up nicely :thumbsup2:

FredWest 08-20-2011 05:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Groggy (Post 71785)
I think I may sate my lust for tools vicariously through your threads Fred. :takebow:

The bench is shaping up nicely :thumbsup2:

Greg,

Sate away.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :Laughing2: :Laughing2:

Thank you for your extremely kind words about my bench. Coming from you they mean an awful lot.:takebow: :takebow: :takebow:

Fred


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