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Old 04-23-2011, 05:11 PM
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Silicone can already be found in more places than we might think. I found this info over on the site for the American Wood Finishing Institute:

Finishing defects are always a major concern to any finisher, particularly when they involve fish eye in the finished product. Fish eye is an easy defect to identify. It will look like a round indentation in the finish. On closer examination with a magnifying glass, it will look like a crater with a rim around the perimeter of the defect along with a very small dot in the center -hence, the name “fish eye” because of its resemblance to the eye of a fish. Many finishers incorrectly consider all indentations in the finish to be fish eye. However, in some circumstances, a coating will seep into the deep pores of the wood leaving a round indentation similar to fish eye. It is our recommendation to insure that you correctly identify that the defect is truly fish eye before taking corrective action.

What causes fish eye? Silicones and surfactants can be airborne or appear on the surface of the wood and cause unequal surface tension of the part to be coated. These compounds create a very high surface tension when compared to most coatings. Therefore, wherever the contamination is present, it will push the coating away from the center of the defect and will dam up the coating into a thick rim of material around the circumference. As this material moves away from the center of the defect, a small amount of coating will remain at the center, creating the unusual fish eye appearance.

In some situations, silicones or other contaminates cannot be eliminated from the finishing environment. To provide a solution to work around the problem, it may be necessary to use an additive in the coating to eliminate the fish eye. Generally, the composition of these additives is silicones or other surfactants that can equal the surface tension of the coating, thereby eliminating the fish eye.

Many compounds can cause the fish eye to occur, however, silicone is most often the offender. Silicone is in a vast array of products we use every day. We eat it, sleep with it, and work with products that have varying amounts of silicone in the composition of the product. Another significant property of silicone is that it has a lighter density than air and will float on air currents for very long distances. Here is a partial list of products that are a potential source of fish eye-causing contaminants:

•Personal Care Products:

•Hair spray

•Skin lotion

•Deodorants

•Make up products

•Lubricants

•Compressor oil

•WD 40 and many other spray lubricants

•Machine lubricants

•Cutting oils for machining operations

•Caulking and Adhesives

•Silicone caulking and other types of caulking with silicone additives

•Silicone adhesives

•Foods with Silicone Contamination

•Any food fried with anti-stick spray silicones, such as Pam and other name-brand products

•Deep fried foods with cooked with oils with silicone additives to prevent food from sticking together in the cooking process, such as potato chips, fries, etc.

•Cleaning and Polishing Products

•Furniture polishes, such as Pledge and other silicone based products

•Buffing and polishing compounds used for cars and other high gloss finishes

•Other Airborne Sources of Contamination

•Many diesel and auto fuels contain anti-wear additives that contain silicone

•Weather with heavy cloud cover may cause air quality to deteriorate and cause contamination to enter the spray environment

•Open doors or air make-up can cause poor air quality to enter the spray environment and cause severe fish eye to occur



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That is depressing - will we eventually need a 'clean room' to get a decent finish?
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Old 04-23-2011, 07:57 PM
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... Flex polishers are also highly regarded, and I'll look into that Makita that Laurie posted about as I think I know which model she's talking about.

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Interesting fact, the Shinex gear drive sounds quieter than some of the rotary buffers demo'd in the video. That little Flex model sounded like marbles, but it could just be the sound quality.
I played around with the Shinex yesterday. Applied paint glaze to one old car, and wax both of them. Still getting the hang of a rotary polisher since I spent the last 15 years with my little DA Set-up. Rotary wins hands down for speed and power though.
I wish the power cord was longer than the appox. 12 feet that it is, but that's a minor quibble. Any longer, and they'd probably have to change the gauge to 16 instead the thin 18ga cord that the Shinex comes with.
Since 6"/150mm max pad warnings are listed on the tool itself, at the spindle, I'n taking a wild guess that Festool means it when it comes to pad diameters. Again, I'll wait to hear from Shane H. on whether there's any leeway on this for all of you larger pad users.
While the backing pad changes are meant to be tool-less with the spindle lock built into the machine, I've always felt safer giving the assembly a tiny snug with a wrench to prevent a disaster with a backing plate coming loose from a spindle and flying across a car's surface. You only have to witness this once, or have it happen to yourself to not even want to repeat it as a standard operating procedure! :p:p:p
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Interesting fact, the Shinex gear drive sounds quieter than some of the rotary buffers demo'd in the video. That little Flex model sounded like marbles, but it could just be the sound quality.
I played around with the Shinex yesterday. Applied paint glaze to one old car, and wax both of them. Still getting the hang of a rotary polisher since I spent the last 15 years with my little DA Set-up. Rotary wins hands down for speed and power though.
I wish the power cord was longer than the appox. 12 feet that it is, but that's a minor quibble. Any longer, and they'd probably have to change the gauge to 16 instead the thin 18ga cord that the Shinex comes with.
Since 6"/150mm max pad warnings are listed on the tool itself, at the spindle, I'n taking a wild guess that Festool means it when it comes to pad diameters. Again, I'll wait to hear from Shane H. on whether there's any leeway on this for all of you larger pad users.
While the backing pad changes are meant to be tool-less with the spindle lock built into the machine, I've always felt safer giving the assembly a tiny snug with a wrench to prevent a disaster with a backing plate coming loose from a spindle and flying across a car's surface. You only have to witness this once, or have it happen to yourself to not even want to repeat it as a standard operating procedure! :p:p:p
Do you notice a tendency for it (Shinex) to buff through the paint more than the DA setup?
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Do you notice a tendency for it (Shinex) to buff through the paint more than the DA setup?
Ron, I've had a Makita rotary grinder/polisher for over 25 years, and I've used it for everything you can imagine, including grinding metal and concrete. I've also used it for many auto restorations, both for finishing new paint and bringing old paint back to life. It has always scared me in its ability to remove a lot of material very quickly. While that can be a good thing sometimes, get distracted for a moment and you can be looking at bare metal.

Being less risky to use for every day polishing is the main reason I bought the PC dual action, although I'm often glad I also have that Makita for some jobs. As I like to say, when in doubt get one of each.

And Leaky, that old Makita has sounded like it had marbles in the gearbox since the day I bought it, but has been absolutely bullet proof in performance. It can handle anything I can throw at it wihtout ever bogging down or overheating.


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I wish the power cord was longer than the appox. 12 feet that it is, but that's a minor quibble. Any longer, and they'd probably have to change the gauge to 16 instead the thin 18ga cord that the Shinex comes with.
Too bad it doesn't have a plug-it power cord. That way you could switch it out for one of the heavier versions (like those that come with the saws) if you wanted to.

DISCLAIMER: I'm making an assumption here. If I'm wrong about the plug-it cord switcheroo thing working, somebody please correct me before I electrocute myself or burn something down.

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Since 6"/150mm max pad warnings are listed on the tool itself, at the spindle, I'm taking a wild guess that Festool means it when it comes to pad diameters.
I wonder why Festool decided to go with an M14 spindle. Even the German made Flex and the Japanese made Makita come with the more ubiquitous (in the U.S.) 5/8-11 thread.

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One polishing machine that is a curiosity to me is the Cyclo.



They are hand manufactured in the USA, have been around for 50 years, and no one disputes their excellent quality. The people who use them absolutely rave about them. Yet, they have never become widely accepted or used in the detailing community.

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One polishing machine that is a curiosity to me is the Cyclo.



They are hand manufactured in the USA, have been around for 50 years, and no one disputes their excellent quality. The people who use them absolutely rave about them. Yet, they have never become widely accepted or used in the detailing community.

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It looks good -- if not popular with detailers who is buying them?
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Mega Cyclo polisher kit, Cyclo orbital polisher, car polisher, cyclo buffer, cyclo polishing pads, cyclo model 5, car buffer

Looks interesting, John. Do you have one?
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