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Lie-Nielsen Toolworks LIE-NIELSEN TOOLWORKS began in 1981 as an effort to make top-quality hand tools available again from a U.S. maker and to revive discontinued, but useful, designs so the average woodworker could obtain them. Today we make over 50 types of planes, saws, spokeshaves, chisels, floats and more. We have improved and refined designs, and use better materials like Ductile Iron and Manganese Bronze for castings and cryogenically treated A-2 Tool Steel for the blades. Our plane blades are much thicker than those of any other production planes. The quality of machining and finishing results in a tool that looks as great as it works, and will be a pleasure to use for years to come.

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Old 07-03-2009, 01:21 AM
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Thanks Okami,
I've been absorbing what I can through you guys and books (I just ordered another one by Christopher Schwarz). From what I "know" so far I think my first planes will be the Veritas bevel up, a smoother like yours and the jointer and their jack plane along with their block plane.
Once I get a good handle on using those I might try some others. The thing that appeals with the Veritas bevel ups is the range of angles that are possible.
You won't regret a set of Veritas Bevel-ups. They are great planes, and like You said very versatile with the different blade bevel angles available.
All three planes use the same size blade, so You can swap them around depending on Your work.
If You haven't done any edge jointing of boards with a hand plane before, veritas makes a fence that will attach to the jointer
As Fred said before, bevel-up planes are very easy to set up, You'll soon be making some lovely shavings
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Old 07-03-2009, 09:33 AM
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[quote=KitCamp;I love my LN saw, but I hate the handle. I didn't really get feel for it until I was well into that big piece and then I didn't have time to give it up. I've been gradually hitting it with a rasp to try to shape things up. It's also got to be the ugliest piece of cherry I've ever seen. - Kit[/QUOTE]

Hi Kit,

I thought the Handle was made from Curly Maple. I Don't know for sure, mine hasn't arrived yet.

Lie Nielsen says the handle is an exact copy of the a British saw made back in 1830.
Before Lie Nielsen made this saw it was made by Independence Tools (also Curly Maple Handle). Lie Nielsen bought them out.
Independence Tools didn't make many, and some say they were better than the Lie Nielsens. I don't know whether that's true or not The Independence Saw's fetch a good price second hand.
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:38 PM
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You want a dovetail saw? Check this out: Eccentric Toolworks

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You want a dovetail saw? Check this out: Eccentric Toolworks

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Old 07-03-2009, 06:54 PM
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Okami,

Mine is really hideous, almost day-glo orange cherry with some weird stain on it. The part I don't like is the "bump" in the center of the handle where it would nestle into your palm. It is too pronounced for my hand and after a while starts to hurt. I was doing a big project where I dovetailed for a solid week, so I started chewing it away gradually with a rasp...

I have a couple vintage Disstons. The handles are more comfortable, but they just don't cut as sweetly. One of them has a little kink that needs straightening, and the other I screwed up trying to file. Someday soon I'll send them to Technoprimitives to be fixed...

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Okami,

Mine is really hideous, almost day-glo orange cherry with some weird stain on it. The part I don't like is the "bump" in the center of the handle where it would nestle into your palm. It is too pronounced for my hand and after a while starts to hurt. I was doing a big project where I dovetailed for a solid week, so I started chewing it away gradually with a rasp...

I have a couple vintage Disstons. The handles are more comfortable, but they just don't cut as sweetly. One of them has a little kink that needs straightening, and the other I screwed up trying to file. Someday soon I'll send them to Technoprimitives to be fixed...

- Kit
Kit,

Have you tried the Adria saws. I bought my dovetail and tenon saw from Eddie many years ago and they both fit beautifully in my hand. I am a HUGE Lie-Nielsen fan but years back bought the Adria only because everything I had then was Lie-Nielsen. Do you have a very large hand? I am going to try out one of the Lie-Nielsen saws in October at the Pop Woodworking show at the Valley Forge Convention Center. You have me curious now as to how it fits for me in comparison to my Adria.

Also, have you by any chance tried out Kevin Drake's Wild West saw? It has double handles and looks quite bizarre but he sure makes it work well in his video and it has a very unique configuration as I believe that it has no teeth at each end of the saw blade. I want to try that and have been drooling over Andrew Lunn's ever since Chris Schwarz reviewed it.

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Old 07-05-2009, 12:33 PM
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Saw arrived today

It's a nice saw. Nice weight and balance.
I can see what kit was saying about the handle. If You have large hands, it may be a bit uncomfortable. The bump on the back digs into the palm a little too deeply.
My handle is Maple..but they have put a really horrible, orange finish on it. I rubbed some of it off with sandpaper (see the picture). You can't really appreciate the ugly colour from the Photo it doesn't bother me too much.

The cut starts easily and follows a line well. It feels nice to have a pistol grip handle again I have to get used to it though...I've been using pull saws for a few years now but it's starting to feel good already
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:06 PM
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Looks like a beautiful saw, Okamisan. In spite of the finish, that's a lovely piece of maple for the handle. I'll look forward to seeing the fruits of its labor!
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Old 07-05-2009, 11:23 PM
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Fred,

I have not tried the Adria saws. I've always used my Disstons or a handmade Japanese ripsaw. I effed up my Disston trying to file it, so that was a no-go, and my Japanese saw kind of bounced around on the beech I was using for drawer sides and backs (it was fine on the mahogany fronts). The other saw I used a lot a recommend is a little Zona. It cuts like a dream, but I wanted to be able to cut two drawer sides at once, which was way to much thickness.

I needed a saw in a hurry and the LN was available locally. I took some beech up to Craftsman Studio and did some test cuts. Sweet! The handle thing is not a big deal to me. I don't care how my tools looks as much as how they cut, so I'm happy to rasp hell out of it till it feels right.

I do like the feel of Disstons just as well, and I have one that is just a little bigger, heavier, and deeper. I'd like to get a longer saw, like 14" or so.

The Lunn's look incredible, but I don't cut enough to be able to justify it...

All of you should have one of the Zona saws. I don't think there is more tool for the money to be had anywhere. It was the saw issued to us at College of the Redwoods.

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Old 07-06-2009, 02:18 AM
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Fred,

I have not tried the Adria saws. I've always used my Disstons or a handmade Japanese ripsaw. I effed up my Disston trying to file it, so that was a no-go, and my Japanese saw kind of bounced around on the beech I was using for drawer sides and backs (it was fine on the mahogany fronts). The other saw I used a lot a recommend is a little Zona. It cuts like a dream, but I wanted to be able to cut two drawer sides at once, which was way to much thickness.

I needed a saw in a hurry and the LN was available locally. I took some beech up to Craftsman Studio and did some test cuts. Sweet! The handle thing is not a big deal to me. I don't care how my tools looks as much as how they cut, so I'm happy to rasp hell out of it till it feels right.

I do like the feel of Disstons just as well, and I have one that is just a little bigger, heavier, and deeper. I'd like to get a longer saw, like 14" or so.

The Lunn's look incredible, but I don't cut enough to be able to justify it...

All of you should have one of the Zona saws. I don't think there is more tool for the money to be had anywhere. It was the saw issued to us at College of the Redwoods.

- Kit
Hey Kit, which one? They all seem pretty small.

I didn't know this,

"Olson Saw and Zona Tool are manufacturing divisions of Blackstone Industries."
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