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Old 10-19-2009, 06:20 AM
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Default Iwasaki Rasps & Floats

In the last issue Popular Woodworking did a quarter page (something new we've tried) comment on these floats.
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They liked them for fitting tenons - I had a similar need so ordered a couple.

Used them on a piece of quarter sawn Red Oak. I am impressed. They will work well for my need.

Filing across the grain


End grain before filing


End Grain after filing


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Iwasaki Japanese Carver's & Cabinetmaker's Floats
The one used for above photos was the medium carving float IW-150FM.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:58 PM
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Hi Tom. We saw these tools at the WIA show in Valley Forge. They were displayed at the The Best Things and Lee Valley booths. The milled teeth are clearly superior to the punched barbs on conventional rasps. They're so much better they deserve a new name. Rasp doesn't cut it.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:23 PM
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I got a set of four of them (small flat, large flat, small half-round, large half-round) from Lee Valley. They're wonderful. They slice rather than gouge, and make quite large dust particles (easy cleanup). As you can see from Tom's picture, they can leave a very smooth surface, though if you do an angled cut they can leave grooves. They can be quite aggressive.

You have to be careful on end grain. If you look at Tom's picture you can see a bit of blow out on each side of the piece. You'd want to make strokes toward the middle of the piece from both outside edges to avoid the edge-grain blowout.
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I spent a little time checking these out at WIA after reading Bob Lang's comments about them. They are very similar to vixen pattern files - basically they operate like a float, with a number of rows of 'teeth' that are essentially scrapers - these are hardened much more than a float, though. That's a plus in some ways, but also means they're not really home-sharpenable. They're fantastic for smoothing really hard woods, like Rosewoods and ebony. On softwoods, though (being essentially scrapers) they're not so hot.

I'm not sure I'd consider them 'superior' to rasps - just a very different tool. A good hand-stitched rasp will remove stock a LOT faster than these tools will, but won't leave as fine a surface. Use a rasp for major stock removal, then smooth with one of these tools, though, and you're in lovely shape. You can go right to 400-grit sandpaper if you're so inclined, and finish to a sweet sweet polish :
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Default Re: Iwasaki Rasps & Floats

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Peter,Michael,Raney,,

How would these compare to my Auriou's?

Would you consider them to be the first stage to be finished with the Aurious?

.....so then I would need to make more room in my file drawer?


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They're different than Auriou's, Roger. I found my #10 Auriou to be more aggressive than the Iwasaki, but I didn't fin either of them to leave a particularly smooth finish for the way I was using them (curves). I'd definitely sand through the grits after either the Auriou or the Iwasaki.

As I was using the Iwasaki I was wishing that I had a better set of Aurious. I found them to offer more control on the cut - somehow I could feel the wood better. That's probably just my lack of experience though. The Iwasaki's seemed less subtle on the wood. They'd probably be great for flattening tenon cheeks. But for things that you'd use your Aurious on, you'd probably be better off using your Aurious.

On the other hand - the Iwasaki's are pretty danged cheap compared to Aurious...
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Raney said they are better on harder woods.
The cherry Peter is working on is probably a little too soft.
The softer the wood the sharper the tool needed to work shear it.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:32 PM
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Good point, Michael.
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I am an unabashed cheering section for both Auriou and Gramercy rasps - good hand-stitched rasps are one of the most versatile shaping tools available. I don't think these Iwasakis will replace anything about them - and they are much much less aggressive of a tool than even a 13 or 15 grain Auriou. I haven't really tried vixen pattern tools on cherry, though I suspect they'd work well for some operations - particularly where you want to establish a flat plane as with the tenon cheeks Poto mentioned.

Where this pattern of tool absolutely SHINES is when you want to finish scrape really hard exotics. They can leave a surface that is very nearly finish-ready on rosewoods, for instance. In this case, I always used them AFTER I've gotten the rough shaping done with rasps.

One other thing I should mention is that I have not had a lot of success using half-rounds of this pattern. I found them rather finicky on concave surfaces - so I generally stick with the flat profiles.

I would classify these as somewhat of a specialist application tool. They make certain jobs much faster and easier, but they aren't doing anything most woodworkers couldn't have accomplished with some other system. It's certainly not something I use particularly often. A good rasp, however, really has no peer that I know of. I use mine very frequently. I think the Gramercy rasps are a good price-conscious alternative to Aurious... the Aurious are definitely better, but the Gramercy's are like 80% of the performance for 1/2 the price.

(Disclosure: Joel and Tim from TFWW/Gramercy are friends of mine - I think my opinions are unbiased by that, but I think disclosure of this sort is important)

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Default Re: Iwasaki Rasps & Floats

Informative review. Thanks Raney!
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