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Old 11-23-2008, 09:24 PM
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What do you use to sharpen - kind of like political affiliation, blue collar / white collar, what branch of service were you in. Everyone tends to have the magic answer. And they're right. No finger pointing at present company, just generally, as far as boards go, what I've gleaned.
I don't have the right answer Fred.
What I have works for me. Perhaps, in the end, that's all the answer necessary. We get too wrapped up in a specific product being a panacea and not focused enough on learning how to use what we just bought.
I do not care for the couple of oil stones I have acquired. I like the Tormek well but only for shaping of the blade - putting, or replacing the primary bevel on. I go freehand on waterstones to 8000 after that, and I lap the flats the same way. If I forgot my meds that day, I have some 10K+ polish as well, but don't often use it.
The waterstones give me the secondary bevel and I will periodically touch up the edge with them in use. When it gets too far, I'll go back to the tormek, or if its a flat, I have the DMTs which work fine. Though mine are getting on in years and I am sure do not cut with the vigor they did a decade ago.
Randy,

I could not agree with you more about each individual having to fit themselves to which ever sharpening system works for them.

It appears to me that far too often you forget your meds but hey how boring would live be if you were on them all of the time.

I would also guess that you have never found your ultimate system but in your case it is awfully easy to see why. I am not sure how but you need to invent a sharpening system powered by.........................................dieselo f course. :460: :460: :anim_63: :biggrimjackbox: :biggrimjackbox: :anim_63: :anim_63: :biggrimjackbox:

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:28 PM
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And that's why the union carpenters Per knows just buy a new one when their chisel is dull.
Michael,

But see, I do not need someone to drop off my tools for me and then someone else to use them, clean up, etc. I actually get to and am capable of doing it all by myself. Obviously my good chisels will need nothing like this chisel did and will be very simple to touch up.

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:34 PM
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I've actually been importing them for about two months now. We started small and have been working out the kinks as we go. We are doing pretty well up here and inventory is moving quickly.

Getting allot of phone calls from people throughout the country and it has been fun so far.

We don't have Fixed pricing up here and I am trying to be as fair as possible with pricing. My quotes are pretty short term (one week). It has been giving me fits though as I can quote something with the exchange rate at $1.15 and a week later we are at $1.30 by the time it arrives.

My goal is to have one of each major tool in stock along with the accessories and Consumables. I am hoping to provide customer service like Bob Marino and Timmy C where my phone is always attached to my hip so I can answer questions and take orders seven days a week.

Dan Clermont
Dan congratulations on your Festool dealership. I know that everyone on this board and probably all of Canada, once they hear about you, will welcome you with open arms. Since you do not have fixed pricing, I am very much looking forward to buying Festools from you at massively reduced costs? This is what you meant, correct??? You are welcome and let me know if I may help you any more like this.

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Old 11-23-2008, 09:54 PM
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Dan, My Canadian Festool Dealer,

Thank you for your experience. Again it is really helpful to hear from each person as to what works best for them. A friend of mine has what I think is maybe the most unique solution for sharpening. Once his chisel becomes dull he goes and buys another one. :460: :460:

I take it from what you wrote the difference in your edges by using waterstones over the machines is quite appreciable?


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Tell your friend to send me all of his dull chisels collect!!! I 'll take them off his hands. We woudn't want his shop cluttered now would we

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Old 11-23-2008, 10:50 PM
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And back to sharpening ... The guy at the Craftsman Studio who swears by the Shapton stones laps them every time he uses them. So perhaps that avoids the problem of the rounding of the grits. It only takes a few seconds to flatten it, if you don't wait too long between flattenings.

I'm definitely leaning toward the DMT continuous stones - I was thinking of a coarse, fine and extrafine in the 8" length.

But I'm still intrigued by the Worksharp. I wish I could try one out before Rockler's sale, to see if I like it...

If Fred can't get it to work ... then ... well ... perhaps it doesn't mean anything!
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:33 PM
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Tell your friend to send me all of his dull chisels collect!!! I 'll take them off his hands. We woudn't want his shop cluttered now would we

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Dan,

I will pass along your very generous offer though you might not want to hold your breath waiting.

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And back to sharpening ... The guy at the Craftsman Studio who swears by the Shapton stones laps them every time he uses them. So perhaps that avoids the problem of the rounding of the grits. It only takes a few seconds to flatten it, if you don't wait too long between flattenings.

I'm definitely leaning toward the DMT continuous stones - I was thinking of a coarse, fine and extrafine in the 8" length.

But I'm still intrigued by the Worksharp. I wish I could try one out before Rockler's sale, to see if I like it...

If Fred can't get it to work ... then ... well ... perhaps it doesn't mean anything!

Perkywerky,

I think those stones would be very beneficial and that you would be very happy with the results.:thumbsup 2:

Now as to the WorkSharp I am not very happy either with your attitude or judgement. Did I or did I not also very clearly explain that I was unable to make the Veritas MK II work as well? But no, you sit there in sunny San Diego and only give me credit for not being able to use ONE machine when in fact I cannot use TWO!!!!! :460::460:

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I received an email a while back from Trent and the chisels will be manufactured with M2 only. He is no longer using the D2.
Thanks, Fred.

While the M2 will hold an edge longer, it will also be harder to sharpen. I'm thinking that I'll use my Tormek and get some diamond paste in assorted grits.

What are you planning to do for the M2?
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:46 PM
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Thanks, Fred.

While the M2 will hold an edge longer, it will also be harder to sharpen. I'm thinking that I'll use my Tormek and get some diamond paste in assorted grits.

What are you planning to do for the M2?
John,

I have a slow speed grinder and I am going to get a softer wheel for it should I ever need to grind them. Otherwise I will use my DMT DiaSharp continuous diamond stones, as well as diamond paste that I have already and then strop them as well. Can't really think of anything I would need

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I have a slow speed grinder and I am going to get a softer wheel for it should I ever need to grind them.

Speaking of softer stones, King now makes a Japanese Water Stone wheel for the Tormek. Maybe the best of both worlds?
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