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Old 05-13-2011, 11:10 PM
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wow, I really thought I have been around the hand tool block... What is a panel plane? Is that somewhere between a fore plane and a jointer?

Or is it how the plane is made: similar to how you would define an infill?
Shawn,

Panel planes are a format primarily isolated to the British iles, and are almost always infill planes (which is why it's not a particularly common term.) There's no reason a wooden or conventional metal plane couldn't be set up as a panel plane, but I can't recall ever having seen the term used outside of infills. Essentially, panel planes are large smoothing planes -- typically jack sized -- and are mainly used for smoothing large panels (hence the name).

Normally, smoothing planes benefit from being very short, as they can work on localized tearout without having to take down an entire surface. However, on some surfaces -- especially large, flat ones with a film finish -- the undulations left by a conventional smoother can adversely affect the visual effect. The classic example is a tabletop with a french polish -- it needs to be extremely well smoothed, but also MUST be dead flat or the finish will lose much of its impact. So a large smoother, which also functions somewhat as a try plane, is quite useful in such situations.

There are a few craftsmen that still prefer planes set up in this way for almost all their work. David Charlesworth, for instance, uses a 5-1/2 as what he calls a 'super smoother' - but in essence it's set up in exactly the same way a panel plane is.

Hope that clarifies things somewhat.

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wow, I really thought I have been around the hand tool block... What is a panel plane? Is that somewhere between a fore plane and a jointer?

Or is it how the plane is made: similar to how you would define an infill?
Shawn,

I see that Raney answered your question about what a panel plane is. I will go ahead and answer the infill portion though he may be doing so as well and it will be a far better definition then mine. Basically one of the items that is always helpful in a plane is mass. In order to create that mass there are some like a Lie-Nielsen plane or a Philip Marcou that use excessive metal on the sole or side walls to give you that mass. The other side are those Like Raney and Konrad that create their mass by filling the metal shell with wood or infilling.

To me they are both beautiful forms of planes but many only care for just one of those two types. I hope that this helped.

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As Raney mentioned panel planes were/are quite popular in the UK but in the U.S. not so much for whatever reason. Jim Kingshott was another fan of them.
Every time that I am reminded David Charlesworth uses the 5-1/2 almost exclusively nudges me closer to getting one...
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Thanks for all the explanations. That was really educational.

btw, that is a darn nice plane.

Do the plane craftsman have a meetup and swap ideas and show off their latest works?

I am so glad I found this board... There is such an appreciation of fine craftsmanship here. Not just for the work you do, but also the tools in your hand. I have spent way too much time reading and learning how to be more hands on vs being a pencil pusher.

Hopefully Jon@BridgeCity will be teaching his design and toolworks class again next year.
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If you have not read this article, it is truly inspiring. Mike Rowe testified before the senate about the benefits of working with your hands and the merits of vocational education.

Mike Rowe Senate Testimony : Dirty Jobs : Discovery Channel

One of the best speeches I have read in a few months.

Hats off to all the fine tool craftsmen/craftswomen/crafts people.

Your incredible dedication to excellence helps me hone my craft and build pieces of my own that I am proud of.
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Mike Rowe spoke at the Ted Conference in 2008 - worth watching
Mike Rowe celebrates dirty jobs | Video on TED.com
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Both excellent links - thanks.

Since we're on this topic, here's a Matthew Crawford article that had a profound influence on me. It's somewhat academic, though quite subversive in style for academia, but it's an outstanding analysis.

I assume many folks here have read this, but if not it's definitely worth the time.

The New Atlantis Shop Class as Soulcraft

It was later expanded into a book that's also extremely good.

Amazon.com: Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry...Amazon.com: Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry...
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As Raney mentioned panel planes were/are quite popular in the UK but in the U.S. not so much for whatever reason.
Here in SoCal this is what we call a panel plane :

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Shawn & Tom,

Thank you for those great links.

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Both excellent links - thanks.

Since we're on this topic, here's a Matthew Crawford article that had a profound influence on me. It's somewhat academic, though quite subversive in style for academia, but it's an outstanding analysis.

I assume many folks here have read this, but if not it's definitely worth the time.

The New Atlantis Shop Class as Soulcraft

It was later expanded into a book that's also extremely good.

Amazon.com: Shop Class as Soulcraft: An Inquiry Into the Value of Work (9781594202230): Matthew B. Crawford: Books
Raney,

Completely coincidentally my daughter called me yesterday from her intern job at Penguin Books and asked me if I would like that very book. They have this really cool thing where they have a bookshelf and you are allowed to take and keep any books placed there. Now I am really excited.

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