talkFestool  

Go Back   talkFestool > Projects, Tool Use, and the Kitchen Sink Too > General Woodworking Q & A

General Woodworking Q & A Had a tip to share or a general question to ask? This is the place.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41 (permalink)  
Old 10-08-2009, 07:37 PM
RONWEN's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NW PA
Posts: 2,645
Default Re: Gluing up boards. Brush or Finger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okami View Post
Hi Ron & Potosan,

Yes, I used some 5mm domino's on this glue up, just for good measure. I usually use biscuits, but I've run out With the clamping jig, it's not really needed.

The bench is my creation. It's a bit rough, and the materials used were cheapy, but the joinery is solid, and it's held up well for years of daily use.

Here's a picture of how I mark the X's for multiple board glue-up. Hope the pictures explain Yes the Veritas fence is always on the X side of the board.

Those clamps are made by a company in the Czech Republic. The company is called York, and they have a sound reputation.
Here's a closer picture. It might help explain where the lateral clamping comes from. They can clamp up to 120cm, or 47" wide, and 2" thick (50mm)
They've paid for themselves time and time again
If You have some basic skills in fabrication, these probably wouldn't be too hard to make.
YORK - clamping tools for tradesmen
Cheers!
Okami
Hey Okami,
Help me understand the clamping process when using the York clamps.
Would you typically lay out the two (or four) bottom clamp bars (tubes) similar to as shown in the first picture, glue up & lay the wood strips on top of those bars (tubes), then slide the top clamp bars through the clamp brackets & begin to tighten the clamps? Does the top bar just "float" inside of the brackets (no pins through any holes on the top bar)? It appears that just the bottom tubes would need the holes drilled? Is that about how the process goes?
I also notice a half moon cut-out on the upper pin -- what is the purpose of the cut-out?
I don't find metric rectangular tubing available in my part of the U.S. -- do you think that either 1" x 3" tubing or 1-1/2" x 2-1/2" tubing would work with the existing (purchased) York bracket Assembly's?
Attached Thumbnails
panel-glue-ups-flat-bar-clamps-york-clamp-1.jpg  panel-glue-ups-flat-bar-clamps-york-clamp2.jpg  
__________________
a 2009 FestoolŪ catalog, 2010 FestoolŪ catalog supplement requested.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra (1925-)

"Whether you THINK YOU CAN, or THINK YOU CAN'T, You're right!"

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps." Confucius (551-479 BCE) philosopher

Last edited by RONWEN; 10-09-2009 at 04:05 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #42 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 11:58 AM
RONWEN's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NW PA
Posts: 2,645
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Okami,
If I was able to totally confuse you with that last post let me know & I'll send you a PM.

Ron
__________________
a 2009 FestoolŪ catalog, 2010 FestoolŪ catalog supplement requested.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra (1925-)

"Whether you THINK YOU CAN, or THINK YOU CAN'T, You're right!"

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps." Confucius (551-479 BCE) philosopher
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #43 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 12:47 PM
Okami's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 日本Japan
Posts: 766
Default Re: Gluing up boards. Brush or Finger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RONWEN View Post
Hey Okami,
Help me understand the clamping process when using the York clamps.
Would you typically lay out the two (or four) bottom clamp bars (tubes) similar to as shown in the first picture, glue up & lay the wood strips on top of those bars (tubes), then slide the top clamp bars through the clamp brackets & begin to tighten the clamps? Does the top bar just "float" inside of the brackets (no pins through any holes on the top bar)? It appears that just the bottom tubes would need the holes drilled? Is that about how the process goes?
I also notice a half moon cut-out on the upper pin -- what is the purpose of the cut-out?
I don't find metric rectangular tubing available in my part of the U.S. -- do you think that either 1" x 3" tubing or 1-1/2" x 2-1/2" tubing would work with the existing (purchased) York bracket Assembly's?
Hi

1-1/2" wouldn't fit in the bracket assembly. 1" would be okay
I think if You use 1" x 3" , the thickness of the wood to be glued up would be limited to about 1" or so.
1" x 2-1/2" would be good or 1" x 2-1/4" even better.

I'm not sure why that half moon cut-out is there Ron. It doesn't seem to be doing anything while I'm clamping I don't know what to say about that one

Cheers!
Okami
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #44 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Okami's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 日本Japan
Posts: 766
Default Re: Gluing up boards. Brush or Finger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RONWEN View Post
Hey Okami,
Help me understand the clamping process when using the York clamps.
Would you typically lay out the two (or four) bottom clamp bars (tubes) similar to as shown in the first picture, glue up & lay the wood strips on top of those bars (tubes), then slide the top clamp bars through the clamp brackets & begin to tighten the clamps? Does the top bar just "float" inside of the brackets (no pins through any holes on the top bar)? It appears that just the bottom tubes would need the holes drilled? Is that about how the process goes?
I also notice a half moon cut-out on the upper pin -- what is the purpose of the cut-out?
I don't find metric rectangular tubing available in my part of the U.S. -- do you think that either 1" x 3" tubing or 1-1/2" x 2-1/2" tubing would work with the existing (purchased) York bracket Assembly's?
That's right Ron, I lay the bottom bars down, then spread the glue on the wood, and lay them on those bars.

I then slide the tops bars through the bracket assemblies and tighten it all up with the handle. It's real easy

Cheers!
Okami
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #45 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 01:41 PM
RONWEN's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NW PA
Posts: 2,645
Default Re: Gluing up boards. Brush or Finger?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okami View Post
That's right Ron, I lay the bottom bars down, then spread the glue on the wood, and lay them on those bars.

I then slide the tops bars through the bracket assemblies and tighten it all up with the handle. It's real easy

Cheers!
Okami
So making these myself, (2) of the tubes wouldn't require any drilled holes at all?

I'll have to look into the tubing size further. Are the brackets made in such a way that they could be modified to accommodate 1-1/2" width tubing? (longer bolts, etc.)
I possibly could use square tubing which is available in 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" but I would have to do a little ciphering to understand the effects of the shorter cross section.
__________________
a 2009 FestoolŪ catalog, 2010 FestoolŪ catalog supplement requested.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra (1925-)

"Whether you THINK YOU CAN, or THINK YOU CAN'T, You're right!"

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps." Confucius (551-479 BCE) philosopher
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #46 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 02:22 PM
MichaelKellough's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: The northernmost end of the southernmost county of New York
Posts: 3,386
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Sounds like you're going to have to fabricate new brackets to accommodate our steel tubing so stick with rectangular stock. It does seem like the brackets get levered hard against the top of the top bar when the screw is tightened so no holes are involved but only Okami knows for sure.

Maybe the flat on the pin is to hammer the top bracket loose if it gets stuck at some angle? (without denting the perimeter?)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #47 (permalink)  
Old 10-09-2009, 04:46 PM
RONWEN's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NW PA
Posts: 2,645
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelKellough View Post
Sounds like you're going to have to fabricate new brackets to accommodate our steel tubing so stick with rectangular stock. It does seem like the brackets get levered hard against the top of the top bar when the screw is tightened so no holes are involved but only Okami knows for sure.

Maybe the flat on the pin is to hammer the top bracket loose if it gets stuck at some angle? (without denting the perimeter?)
I agree Michael, without having my trusty Solid Works available to model it, intuitively I don't believe that 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" sq. tubing will have enough spine to accomplish keeping glue-ups flat -- which is after all the purpose of the system. The 1-1/4" sq. is available in heavier wall thicknesses but in an application like this that would pretty much just add useless weight, not the needed deeper cross section.

I'm beginning to think starting from scratch with the brackets will be the best solution.

As far as the cut-out on the top pin goes, I'm guessing there is some other unknown accessory where that comes into play.
__________________
a 2009 FestoolŪ catalog, 2010 FestoolŪ catalog supplement requested.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra (1925-)

"Whether you THINK YOU CAN, or THINK YOU CAN'T, You're right!"

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps." Confucius (551-479 BCE) philosopher
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #48 (permalink)  
Old 10-10-2009, 01:13 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cupertino
Posts: 4
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Quote:
Originally Posted by RONWEN View Post
I agree Michael, without having my trusty Solid Works available to model it, intuitively I don't believe that 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" sq. tubing will have enough spine to accomplish keeping glue-ups flat -- which is after all the purpose of the system. The 1-1/4" sq. is available in heavier wall thicknesses but in an application like this that would pretty much just add useless weight, not the needed deeper cross section.

I'm beginning to think starting from scratch with the brackets will be the best solution.

As far as the cut-out on the top pin goes, I'm guessing there is some other unknown accessory where that comes into play.
I would guess that the circular cut-out on the top pin is for clearance if you place another bar on top to clamp another board. The clearance would be for the screw shaft of the new bar.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #49 (permalink)  
Old 10-10-2009, 01:26 AM
RONWEN's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NW PA
Posts: 2,645
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Quote:
Originally Posted by djwong View Post
I would guess that the circular cut-out on the top pin is for clearance if you place another bar on top to clamp another board. The clearance would be for the screw shaft of the new bar.
That could make sense, perhaps clearance for the clamp screw.
__________________
a 2009 FestoolŪ catalog, 2010 FestoolŪ catalog supplement requested.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is." - Yogi Berra (1925-)

"Whether you THINK YOU CAN, or THINK YOU CAN'T, You're right!"

"When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps." Confucius (551-479 BCE) philosopher

Last edited by RONWEN; 10-10-2009 at 01:36 AM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #50 (permalink)  
Old 02-11-2010, 08:32 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 70
Default Re: Panel Glue ups with flat bar clamps

Sorry about the late reaction

Here is an other tool for clamping panels it is wall mounted and requires no additional clamps etc. Very nice but expensive

scheppach: Adhesive press plano
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:34 PM.

design by Themes by Design edited by Dan Clark and Colin White