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Old 09-07-2010, 01:55 AM
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Transfer efficiency while important isn't as important as ease of use and the quality of the finish coat that is laid down by a particular system and the speed at which it can do it.

Everthing said about the airmix by its users that I could find state that it is by far the best off the gun finish they have ever seen.
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:42 AM
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Everything said about the airmix by its users that I could find states that it is by far the best off the gun finish they have ever seen.
Interesting, all the Graco users were saying the same thing about the one I bought, which is one reason I chose it.

You think someone may be biased?
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:53 AM
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Maybe it is bias. We'll see. I'll try and get a rep out to demo the unit when I get the funds to make that capital investment. We may have to update this in a year or so. Who knows though as I was blessed with a big bandsaw as soon as I was asking for one.
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Well I have tried and tried to make it work with waterborne finishes. Frustration and dissatifaction with the final results has made me rethink my path.

I started spray finishing about 2 yrs ago with a fuji mm4 and target based coatings. I had success on a few projects but quickly learned that the fuji didn't lay down the product fast enough to be efficient and get professional results. The target coatings products were so inconsitant that I had to return a bunch of product and find a different manufacturer. I did some research and found the valspar zenith finishes. I also switched to a compressor fed pressure pot water based gun system by Asturo.

While the Valspar zenith sprayed out very nicely and sanded very well it didn't impart any warmth to the wood without adding an extra step of oil before topcoating with the water base. How much sense does that make?
I also found the zenith very problematic when polishing.

I've started on with MLCampbell's solvent based cv and precats. I am borrowing a gun from a shop neighbor. Man what a difference! The wood is so much more alive.

Now I need a different system and I don't want to have to go thru the same process of getting a system and wanting/having to upgade later. The Kremlin airmix system looks to be the cream of the crop and something I'll wont have to upgrade for a long time unless I get bigger britches.

Also when comparing VOCs the solvent based finish don't actually have much more than the comparable waterborne.
Eiji, looks like we're in the same boat. A couple of days ago I posted something very similar on FOG and SMC - I'm just about through with WB lacquer take a look at my sweet pic of the latest wb debacle.
I am this close to scrapping wb products altogether and going back to solvent based. I'd like to try some wb conv. varnish before I do but there's a little voice in my head telling me to just forget it.
I had a small job this summer that I used some tinted precat lacquer on. It had been so long that I'd sprayed anything but wb that I forgot what I was missing. If I make the switch back I'm not looking forward to the clean up but at least I know the results will be up to my expectations.
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I'm also glad to see this thread, I've been holding off buying a system (indecision) because I don't seem to find a WB spray coating that I can buy locally in a reasonable quantity. Also I haven't found local cabinet shops that are driven by a high level finish that I would like for furniture.
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Old 09-07-2010, 05:04 AM
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Russ,
Just forget it and save yourself the trouble. In WB I've been able to get the best off the gun finish with targets em8000 but still have to deal with the dead wood look and also a blue haze when viewed from an angle. It's completely not worth the hassle.
Thanks for letting Russ and I be your research assistants Ron.o
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I use the Binks piston pump system: http://www.binks.com/LinkClick.aspx?...w%3D&tabid=257

and their gravity feed HVLP guns.


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That looks real nice Mirko.
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Russ,
Just forget it and save yourself the trouble. In WB I've been able to get the best off the gun finish with targets em8000 but still have to deal with the dead wood look and also a blue haze when viewed from an angle. It's completely not worth the hassle.
Thanks for letting Russ and I be your research assistants Ron.o
No charge, your quite welcome...
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:33 PM
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Elji,

I have used the Kremlin pump and airmix gun for about 10 years and it is still what I would recommend. I wouldn't want to go back to my turbine.

I have used a lot of the ML Campbell post-catalyzed product such as Krystal and DuraVar, and I think they are generally very good. One word of caution, though. If you call their techical department, they will tell you that they recommend a FRESH AIR breathing system for these products, as the standard filter masks do not get all the nasty vapors ( one in particular, which I can't remember ) filtered. One of those systems is somewhere north of $1000.00 I think. I have retrofitted a full face mask with some plastic sprayer fittings and 1 1/2" hose meant for a sump pump, so that is my poor man's fresh air system. It actually works really well. The down side is you're dragging that hose around behind you, but it is really not too bad. Feel free to give me a call if you want anymore info.

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Transfer efficiency while important isn't as important as ease of use and the quality of the finish coat that is laid down by a particular system and the speed at which it can do it.
I agree, better TE does matter more in mass production processes where there's more potential money savings on material. It also results in less overspray, which is a benefit to anyone.

As for as a quality finish, I'm at that experience level where it's really hard to tell how well gun can perform.

I have been looking at air assisted airless units, but a bigger one for house painting. I've had a Campbell Hausfeld 1/2 hp 32 gpm airless unit for about ten years. I want to upgrade to something that throws more paint and leaves a better finish.

I have been thinking about this one:

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