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EijiFuller 09-25-2009 11:16 PM

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Someone I know who writes alot of tutorials on the benefits of different products really billed a certain waterbased finish products company to be the bee's knees. I trusted this writer/craftsmen and started using the finishes.

I was not really able to get satisfactory results using any but one of their products. And even that product emparted a lifeless finish. All the other finishes I used of their line was both difficult to spray and didnt dry very fast. They would pill up the sandpaper even after hours of drying. I have to say that the certain fellow I refer to has lost my trust.

Now the happy ending.:thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:

I picked up some Valspar Zenith pre-cat laquer and gave it a go. This stuff is awesome. It sprays like a dream, dries superfast, and powders up nicely after 20 mins. It also has a really nice warmth almost like a solvent based finish. And you can spray it over an oil based stain with out having to spray shellac first.

I have to say I have been bummed about getting into spraying so far but now I am happy. I didnt know it could be so easy to get a good finish.

Poto 09-25-2009 11:19 PM

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Thanks for the words of experience, Eiji. I'd love to see a piece finished with the Valspar.

(And I'm guessing you're talking about Target coatings above?)

RWeber 09-26-2009 02:10 AM

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They are a different learning curve, and the results are widely varied, in my experience.
Thus far, I thought Fuhr gave the most "oil-like" appearance on raw wood. Sherwins Kem Aqua has a good appearance, but its real asset is durability. The appearance can be tweaked with a touch of dye.
General Finishes Hi Performance line, I actually kind of like. On raw, even on stained wood its frigid, but if you're willing to just do a wash coat of shellac, then you get the look you want and a very respectable looking topcoat.

BTW Eiji, I just bought a Thomas compressor. Largely after hearing about it here, from you. I'll let you know what I think after the box shows up.

DanClark 09-26-2009 05:15 AM

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Eiji,

Thanks for posting this. I'm going to buy an HVLP system within the next two months and need info like this.

Regards,

Dan.

DanClark 09-26-2009 05:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RWeber (Post 33904)
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BTW Eiji, I just bought a Thomas compressor. Largely after hearing about it here, from you. I'll let you know what I think after the box shows up.

Randy,

I have two of their compressors. They are great. Which one did you buy?

Regards,

Dan.

Mirko 09-26-2009 07:39 AM

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I use Valspar... fortunately I was able to spray it over the Target Coatings and it saved the job... never again.. I thought the stuff was so good, so I bought a 5 gallon pail of it... I would burn the shit if it could catch fire.:stirthepot:

And before anyone comes on here and tells me I need more time with the product... explain why every other brand I tried sprays perfectly right out of the bucket.:clapping1:

Love Mirko.

EijiFuller 09-26-2009 08:20 AM

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That guy's a piece of work I tell you. pun intended!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Next tutorial on the list is "The new festool sanding blocks are the best!"

Never a bad or critical word about anything produced by the companies he's writing about. he must get a commission or something.

The sandpaper- the best! no faults, no mention of the rubin getting dull after 5 minutes of sanding but hey, it was all good while it lasted!

the parrallel guides are great- what the heck kind of review/tutorial title is that anyway? Yes the guides are nice but come on dude! The cantilevered cutting example was just wierd.

New sheriff in town?

EijiFuller 09-26-2009 08:28 AM

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Mirko you are right about other products spraying good right out of the can. I tried the Deft Geo self-link and it shot great but continued to pill up the sandpaper after drying overnight. Yikes, that was a one timer. I had to try it though after all the crap I have been through using the Target. The Valspar is really nice though.

I may have a project coming up that will call for the Valspar conversion varnish. I will report back if I get it.

Mirko 09-26-2009 08:47 AM

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I do not get this...

Companies give free products to guys that rave about the products.. Ha, go figure!

Where is the proof a product is good these days...


Maybe our former Prime Minister knows :rofl:

EijiFuller 09-26-2009 08:52 AM

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too funny :laughing1:


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